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OK, so some cute, sexually ambivalent youth has attached him/herself to you, choosing you as a role-model, icon or crush. Besides the question of whether or not to fuck them (I say DON'T, you ready for the drama and angst?), you are perturbed by their choice of music.... one look on the iPod reveals My Chemical Romance, Lacuna Coil and Cradle of Filth. You take it upon yourself to steer this poor, lost soul in the right direction of what a goth might listen to. What would you suggest? Me, I'm kinda old-school:
1. The Sisters of Mercy - Some Girls Wander By Mistake
2. Bauhaus - Mask
3. Siouxsie - Kaleidoscope
4. Death In June - Nada!
5. Cocteau Twins - Pink Opaque
6. Sex Gang Children - Song and Legend
7. Christian Death - Only Theater of Pain
8. Cramps - a Date With Elvis
9. Joy Division - Closer
10. The Cure - Pornography
11. Depeche Mode - Black Celebration
12. Anne Clark - The Sitting Room
13. Xymox - Medusa
1. The Sisters of Mercy - Some Girls Wander By Mistake
2. Bauhaus - Mask
3. Siouxsie - Kaleidoscope
4. Death In June - Nada!
5. Cocteau Twins - Pink Opaque
6. Sex Gang Children - Song and Legend
7. Christian Death - Only Theater of Pain
8. Cramps - a Date With Elvis
9. Joy Division - Closer
10. The Cure - Pornography
11. Depeche Mode - Black Celebration
12. Anne Clark - The Sitting Room
13. Xymox - Medusa
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Unsu...
Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Mon, October 30, 2006 - 11:50 AMI used to be a huge fan of Christian Death, but I could never get into that album. I would suggest Wind Kissed Pictures. And Juju for a Siouxsie album. -
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Wed, November 1, 2006 - 8:06 AMI think this posting is kind of silly but kind of cute, so I'll go ahead and play along.
Although some may disagree on the classification of "Goth" I would definetly recommend.
Wolfsheim - Spectators
Switchblade Symphony - Any album
The Cure - Disintegration
Dead Can Dance - Into the Labyrinth
That's all I can think of off the top of my head. I listen to more EBM, Industrial now adays. But love me sum goth.
Love & Light,
B.E.
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Wed, November 1, 2006 - 8:38 AMWell, it might be silly if it wasn't based on a real-life experience! And I didn't mean to put-down anyone's musical choices, just thought, if yer gonna talk the talk, ya might as well be versed in what came before.
For variety's sake, why not add some early Misfits, Front 242, Nosferatu, Cult, and Mephisto Walz to my list..... then hit shuffle and get ready to bounce around the apartment. -
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Wed, November 1, 2006 - 9:58 AMIt does kind of remind me of that scene in Gypsy 83 when they're at the Night of a Thousand Stevies and those two guys call Clive a poser because he thinks Poppy Z Bright (spelling?) is a band. As if not knowing who Poppy Z Bright is (I sure don't) makes you ungoth even though you pretty much live a "goth lifestyle". Who's to determine what's goth or not? -
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Wed, November 1, 2006 - 11:45 AMUgh, awful movie.
But, uh, no.... I disagree, because A: I didn't try to humiliate my friend, B: I didn't say he wasn't goth, C: I gave him a shitload of good music to listen to on his iPod.
As far as who's to determine what's goth or not: I think citing the bands that started the whole movement and that the press coined the expression "gothic rock" for is a pretty safe bet. You can throw the term goth around for whatever new band you want, and that's fine, but nothing wrong with sending peeps to the pure, undiluted post-punk goodness of the first wave. -
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Wed, November 1, 2006 - 12:06 PMDon't get me wrong, I totally agree with you there.
I was always tempted to buy this book:
www.amazon.com/Dark-Reign...278-8744800
I've heard conflicting versions of which band actually started the "goth" movement. Some people swear it was Bauhaus, some people say Sisters of Mercy, and others say S&TB's "Juju" was the catalyst and origin. S&TB came first, but Sisters of Mercy started off with their signature goth sound, whereas S&TB evolved into it from punk.
While I think being a goth was about more than just the music, as I said in an earlier thread if I had to give up all the clothes I used to wear to be able to listen to the music I would have.
I have to laugh at the kids today who think they're all goth because they like Marilyn Manson and carry an Emily lunchbox. No one even blinks anymore. I used to get harrassed daily for the way I was back in middle and high school. It was years before Nirvana made alternative mainstream.
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Wed, November 1, 2006 - 11:22 PMOH MY GOD THANK YOU
Gypsy 83 was by far one of the worst movies I have ever seen in my entire life. And yes, that is including "Snakes on a Plane". jesus, at least Samuel Jackson can act and wasn't crying every 15 fucking seconds.
I feel a post coming on..
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Thu, November 2, 2006 - 9:39 PMIf I were to make a compilation of songs that I would start off a fledging goth on the right path to total goth fabulousness, it might look something like this:
1. Bauhaus - Stigmata Martyr - I think this song encapsulates Bauhaus' sound absolutely to the tee. All of the creepy instrumentation and crazed vocalizations are there, and the religious references really put it in the right perspective. The key to this song is a delicate blend of sarcasm and cheese. And it would also appeal to anyone into anything macabre, in my humble opinion. Besides, the only other respectable choice would be "Bela Lugosi's Dead", but giving them that song without an in-depth analysis could go either really good, or terribly bad. The last thing we need is more people thinking they're vampires.
2. Siouxsie - Halloween - Honestly, while I'm a devout fan of anything Siouxsie does, I think anything off "Juju" would be a proper opening. Not only is it the definitive Banshees album, it's the easiest to digest. "Kaleidoscope", I think, is far too experimental, and is more likely to confuse a newbie as to what exactly Goth music sounds like. Frankly, the album is all over the place, musically. "Halloween", I think, really sets the stage for the understanding of deliberate cheesiness that is such an integral part of goth, and it also accentuates the punk roots. On top of all that, it also happens to be an almost criminally fun song.
3. Sisters of Mercy - Flood 2 - "First, Last, and Always" may very well be an excellent album, but I don't think there's any argument that "Floodland" is the gothest album ever put to music. "Flood 2", on top of being an undeniably perfect song, is just dark enough to really capture the essence of such an important band (to goth) at it's darkest. "This Corrosion", simply for it's compositional wit and amazing mass appeal, is another good choice, but I'd have to parrot the "Bela Lugosi's Dead" comment for it needing a rather large explanation. All you'd have to say for "Flood 2" is, "Andrew Eldritch is a genius". After listening to the song, they'll completely understand. If they don't, pull the plug immediately.
4. Fad Gadget - Collapsing New People - For this song, I'd be willing to undermine the rule of trying not to confuse a newbie as to what goth sounds like. "Collapsing New People" is a prime example of Goths making fun of themselves, and if a goth can't make fun of themselves, they have no excuse calling themselves a goth. Besides, you have to prime them for Neubauten, Ministry, and Cabaret Voltaire eventually, no?
5. The Chameleons UK - Soul In Isolation - Not even so much for the purposes of goth, but more because you should expose this band to as many people as humanly possible. Musical brilliance is musical brilliance no matter what genre you place it in.
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Mon, April 9, 2007 - 8:42 AMGreat list... This is definitely the stuff I'd make a newbie check out.
I still think the first "Gothic Rock" CD is a classic of sorts..... a good primer.
So who cares whether it was Joy Division, Siouxsie or Sisters who started it.... (or for that matter, The Doors or Velvet Underground, etc) Just check it out, open your mind.... you just might end up tossing that Lacuna Coil or Evanescence CD in the trash bin..... -
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Mon, April 9, 2007 - 2:28 PMI think your starter list is pretty good as it is. I would personaly add a little Goth-Industrial to the mix:
Diamanda Galas-The Divine Punishment, Saint of the Pit,
Skinny Puppy-Bites, Mind the Perpetual Intercourse
Laibach-Nova Akropola, Macbeth
Coil- (any album)
Caberet Voltair-Red Mecca
Swans-(current era albums seem more "goth" than their older "concussion" style)
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Wed, April 18, 2007 - 4:55 PMI've found that for "beginner goths", shit like DIamanda Galas is almost an overload. Same with COIL... *I'm* still struggling to get myself more into them... I think that whole little movement is fascinating, but I'm having a lot of trouble with it.
Dead on with Swans though. ;)
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Mon, April 9, 2007 - 10:25 PMOoof!
Goth musick and aesthetics were what brought me and my last BF together. I thought we'd be together for a lifetime. Let me just say that there's more to bonding a relationship than music. It's the other underlying crap that ended it, in our case, after a year and a half. Be in sync (no pun int'd) with your partner, be in the same pattern of growth and be equal, be open to each other's interests- share them and accept them.
Whether they're goth or not is only a small percentage of a person. If they're closed-minded and don't take to your musical tastes (or you to theirs) well, maybe they're not right for you in the first place. I mean that in the kindest and most sincere way. The BF and I had music most in common, but that didn't make the relationship work.
That being shared, I'm going back to listening to the new Type-O Negative album. It's okay to draw outside the lines and I encourage it. Cultures and tastes cannot realistically be impressed upon a person. That has to to be a natural progression of love, and not of need or want.
I'm sure I took this thread in a misguided direction, sorry. It's good to be back, though. Smooches Fennis!
And I still think Gypsy 83 is a sweet film, no matter how contrived it may be. Karen Black rules!
So, go ahead. Hate me. I don't seek seek approval. :-]p -
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Tue, April 10, 2007 - 6:44 AMHaha, everyone has valid points and the song lists are great but honestly i had this problem with on of my associates at work. I felt no need to force my music upon him because he needs to find it on his own. We all seem to have our own "Goth Soundtrack" and the need to make there own as well....and for the record
Thrill Kill Kult-Daisy Chain 4 Satan
Lenord Cohen-Everybody Knows
Extra Fancy-Imitating Angles
Velvet Underground-Heroin
Tones on Tail-Go
Dead Boys-Not Anymore
Opotheosis-O'Fortuna
Lou Reed-Red Righthand
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Sat, April 14, 2007 - 9:38 PMAww, some little Darkling crunching me, but I despise his Goth Lite collection...Hmm. If he's cute, yeah I'll fuck him! And leave town before he wakes up.
Okay, I'm thinking of certain songs more specifically than albums. I'm dating myself here, but :
1 From a really, really OLD pre-"You Spin Me 'Round" Dead or Alive self titled-album, a song called "It's Been Hours Now", and from an even earlier work (from his Nightmares In Wax days) a song called "Black Leather"
2 S&TB : "Dazzle" , "We Hunger" and "Little Voodoo Dolly"
3 Diamanda Galas: Well, really, anything by Her is recommendable, I think. But then, She is a friggin GENIUS...
4 Dead Can Dance: "Song of the Sybil", "Soltarello" and "the Arrival and the Reunion"
5 Cocteau Twins: Okay, the whole of "Bluebell Knoll" is gorjeeuuuusssss
6 Sister's of Mercy: "This Corrosion-Touched by the hand of Ofra"
7 Eurythmics: "Here Comes the Rain Again" ( Oh, I know I'm gonna take some shit for that one, but, it was so darkly evocative!) And also, from their 1984 Album, "The Ministry of Love" mmm, delicious!
Really you guys, it's not so much one's choice of music that'd offend me. I just HATE seeing all the prefab "Goth" wear from oh, say , THE MALL! We hadda make our own great shit, thank you very much. And looked fabulous doing it. Where has creativity gone? Whatever happened to a Rit black dyebath for all household fabrics?
I'd rather try to gently steer them away from that which I think is shit/not Goth, toward the improved version. For instance...
That fucking piece of shit "Bram Stoker's Dracula" movie (only good thing about it was Diamand's vocals, and they didn't even make it to the fucking piece of shit soundtrack.) Try instead "the Hunger"...
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Tue, April 17, 2007 - 9:37 AMthe idea was never to "force feed" good music to someone... just share your knowledge. I remember my first taste of anything goth was a mix tape someone gave me that featured Joy Division, the Cure, Siouxsie, Bauhaus, Velvet Underground, Nico, The cult, etc. I was so enthralled and excited, I played it for days. BTW, how cool that someone on here gave props to Dead Or Alive's all too brief time as a goth band, featuring Wayne Hussey of the Mission!
I call that Mall goth look "Ghetto-Cyber Goth".... those ridiculous bell-bottom looking pants with chains.... WTF???? I may be old, but I'm all about Pete Murphy's androgynous ripped net and leather thing...... sex, danger, rock, darkness!!!
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Tue, April 17, 2007 - 5:35 PMDOA also included Pete Wylie and Julian Cope for a milisecond, too. Ironic... That's why I fell in love with Pete/DOA. A former opera-trained singer, I have an affection for the musicians with legetimate training. And LOVE them when they say "fuck you" to the establishment. I know these folks aren't Goth, But I think they're worth the mention anyway : David Bowie, Kate Bush, Nina Hagen, Ian Astbury...
I'm SO WITH YOU about those dumb-ass "bondage" pants. In my circle of friends, Hot Topic is called 'Goth & GO" or 'Get 'em & Goth" Ewwww! I don't wanna see that shit. Gimme a boy in black spandex, fishnet and biker boots. Throw in some tats, piercings and black eyeliner? Total JO material... 'Sex, blood and Rock&Roll !" -
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Re: A primer for fledgling goths....
Wed, April 18, 2007 - 7:36 AMSo yeah, Dead Or alive was actually a goth band once.... how funny is that. Their early EPs and singles were great.
Oh hell yeah.... Kate and NIna rule.... although I think Ian has direct links to goth via Death Cult and all... Bowie was credited by much of the Brit press in the 80s for spawning Bauhaus, and they didn't quite put it as nicely.
We should do a post: "Music that isn't goth, but that goths love"....!!
About Hot Topic..... I don't mind it being out there, but it's amazing the kids just throw on those pants and don't even attempt to fuck with them, or modify it a bit... you know, make it personal.... what happened to DIY???
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"Music that isn't goth, but that goths love".
Sun, April 22, 2007 - 10:05 PMGreat idea, Fennis! Now, where to begin...? Maybe we do owe Bowie a lot. Christian Death wouldn't exist without his influence, that's for sure. Same for Bauhaus...
Now, how does the ethereal stuff fit in? Shall we credit Eno, the Catholic Church or the many avenues of ethno-musicology that have been around long before goth existed?
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Re: "Music that isn't goth, but that goths love".
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 7:35 AMThank you Elvis -
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Mon, April 23, 2007 - 8:46 PMYou like Elvis? Oh, please do clarify. -
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Re: "Music that isn't goth, but that goths love".
Mon, April 23, 2007 - 11:49 PMI'm not a huge Elvis fan, but there would be no goth without Elvis or the Beatles, etc., it's not all thanks to Bowie -
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Re: "Music that isn't goth, but that goths love".
Mon, April 30, 2007 - 5:24 PMWell, actually, Elvis was simply 'borrowing' a style of music that belonged to a different ethnic subculture, which as I understand it was shunned by white folks at the time (hopefully we don't have to explain that here). -
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Re: "Music that isn't goth, but that goths love".
Tue, May 1, 2007 - 6:58 AMThank U India
Thank U terror
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Re: "Music that isn't goth, but that goths love".
Wed, May 2, 2007 - 5:00 PMThank U earplugs and blindfolds. "Thunka-thunk-athunka-thunk, waaaak, waaaaak, waaaak!"
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Re: "Music that isn't goth, but that goths love".
Mon, April 30, 2007 - 2:33 PMExactly, goth as it started in the late 70s/early 80s had NOTHING to do with the ethereal stuff, yet it's now a bonafide part of the scene... I think it's cuz goth went from being post-punk rock to an embracing of all things dark and horror related.... dammitt, it's so complex!
So yeah, Eno..... and how about Pink Floyd and even Psychedelic rock? Hippies fit in there somehow, too....
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Wed, April 18, 2007 - 4:56 PMI love you for mentioning Nighmares in Wax. Just thought you should know. -
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Wed, April 18, 2007 - 7:57 PMI think you meant "Temple of Love - Touched by the hand of Ofra" -
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Thu, April 19, 2007 - 3:51 PMYep, yep I did mean TOL-TBTHOO. Thanks for the correction! Wow, you guys are so sweet. I'm glad I joined this tribe...
Peace, love and black nail polish!
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