So guys.....are you single? In a monogamous relationship? Have you given up on love? What's your take on dating nowadays?
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 12:35 PMI treat each relationship with every person as its own situation. I am polyfuckerous with my orientation including smbd and bloodsports within a sexmagick context.
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 1:08 PMIs that less expensive than going out to dinner? Because it sounds just as boring.
I find dates kind of awkward and usually uninspiring. At least when you date men there's a chance you won't even make it out of the house, and just start screwing. But it's hard to know what to do with one another when you've just met and hanging with one another's friends seems even more awkward.
Probably I need to mix it up a bit. The only thing I've ever done on dates is see a movie or go to dinner. I learned a long time ago to avoid taking dates to gay bars. :D Too many distractions. That said, I think I can get away with taking a date to Guilty this Friday ... right?
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 12:59 PMI've never tried monogamy, or even "dating" someone... yet alas, the casual/randomly fucking scene grew a bit tiresome. It's been quite a while since i last got down with anyone or even had a crush for that matter. I don't see love/relationships/action as a huge goal, or need in my life, but that is not to say that i object to any of them.
I don't think that you should seek out other people to fulfil whatever void your feeling in life, because entering a relationship with that mindset just doesn't lead to anything even resembling a healthy relationship. If ever i were to 'date' (the horror the horror!!!) it would be to enrich my already fabulous life.
A lot of people fuck and date not so much because they need to get their rocks off or are super into the other person, but because they need that reassurance that they are 'alright' and a lovable person.
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 2:14 PMhmm same ole same ole i think. Im in a relationship right now thats monogamous and im happy with it so far. I have tried alot of different types of datting and relationships and it all kinda comes down to the same thing. People get lonely doing all thier fun stuff or not fun stuff alone and so eventually when your tired enough you go well fuck this i want share this with someone other than my freinds. I mean i wish i could say it was that whole prince thing and its only eriching my life but thats not really true. I mean my guy is my prince as far as im concerned and he does make my life a helleva lot better for sure but its not all perfect. People like to present themselves as together and for some reason being needy is like a bad thing now. I don't get why that is. I mean in the end were all needy and we can all be pathetic and sad and clingy and whatever. I don't think those things are scary myself and i of all people prob should run screaming from those things LOL. Nothing against what you said joseph either so don't take what im saying personal its just observations of my own past and people i know you just reminded me of it. I tend to look at humans as wonderfull pitfull, dangerous, loving, deviant, flotsom that got it into thier heads they could think. So to be desperete or pathetic is not so bad in my opion hehehe. It is often more honest i think. Let the gore pour and then see who sticks around ya know. I don't have time in my life for people who break very easy so maybe its just me. I think all of it is fun even when its not is my 2 cents. Im here for the ride. -
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 2:44 PMhold on a second here hun...
i never condemned people for getting lonely, i just think that happiness and freedom are something which someone has to attain on a personal level and cannot seek someone else to do for you.
When i said that a partner should be someone who enriches your life i didn't mean a prince charming who makes everything hunky dory and all of a sudden there are no more problems. The main point i was trying to make was that a partner cannot do this for you, which is why i compared it to trying to find someone to fulfil your life.
I just know a slough of serial monogomous people who go from disfunctional relations to nonfunctional relations and back and forth again wondering why nothing ever pans out and never take a look at the one common denominator within all of these relationships. -
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 3:29 PMewww good point and i know many of those too. i spose what i was saying was more like im not sure it gets any better but then i cant say that cuz i have better so fuck me two sides to sunday LOL. It must be my pessimistic nature to just say lets all swim in shit and be happy with it but im not doing that so bad bad me. I love that pic of you you have up by the way. its such a me pose LOL god im self absorbed oh well. i love it anwyays. I love sneers.
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 3:50 PMi am 35 and currently single. i've had 3-4 monogomous relationships with guys, each lasting about 1.5 years. i got sick of the cycle.
then i became a whore (well, actually more like a polyamorous, ethical slut) a couple of years ago after i moved to san francisco and learned the ropes. suddenly i started responding to energy way beyond the physical plane, i.e. my sexuality became less tied to my visual senses.
now i have more appreciation for and get completely stimulated by all kinds of people, in a million different ways. lesbians that make me laugh are as high on the list as cute boys with no gag reflex AND leather daddy's with big equipment.
when i think about who i want to be there when i'm on my death bed, it's my friend becky cuz she is very grounding, not the boy that i have a huge crush on.
when i think about who i want to have coffee with in the morning, it's neon, who is funny and makes great coffee.
i used to try to put all of these things on one person. now, any cute boys that want to sleep in my bed must be able to have coffee in the morning with the girl who makes me laugh and make room next to my death bed for the girl who grounds me. they don't have to like them but they've got to accept them cuz for me it's all about family, community and putting up with the good and the bad. -
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 4:04 PMI think you're a lot sexier when you call yourself a whore, than a polyamorous ethical slut. -
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 4:09 PMsorry, that was my inner lesbian comin' out.
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ok, i'm back to being a fuck-whore now.
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 4:50 PMhmmm...wow, that works too. david, you blow my mind. why do i suddenly feel like a tree-huggin' lesbian hippie talk show host?
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fennis, you opened up a whole can of magickal worms here. ;-) -
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 7:08 PMHe did ask, I usually don't have a problem with sharing. Not in me blood.
Maybe you actually are a tree huggin' lesbian talk show host.
Once when I attended a women of wisdom conference and quite frankly I felt the same.
I was actually serious about psycick slut. I am becoming a member of The Psycick SLutz, a ritual performance art group quite dedicated to sacred whoredom and well, fucking.
The motto is, "Converting the world, one fuck at a time."
I do tend to blow a lot of minds. Infact, I really enjoy throwing Bacchanalia Play Parties and invoking Madness upon them through Dionysian Posession.
You should try it some time.
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 5:27 PM"My mind is in the clouds and my heart has wings."
Until I can find someone who can put up with that kind of outlook then I plan to stay single for a while. I dont know about the rest of you but my biggest issue with men is that they are drawn to be because I am a bit odd and unusual and a huge breath of fresh air for them and then they feel pushed away because I am a bit odd and unusual and they realize that this is me and it wasnt a costume the first time we met.
Anymore I am more interested in being with my friends aka family than I am trying to find some guy to "complete" my life. I never understood that whole phrase of finding someone to "complete" ones self. I mean if you dont feel complete before then I doubt you will be completed by another entity.
So to answer the question yes I am single. So who wants to get naked and roll around in paint with me? -
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Unsu...
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 7:17 PMAnother sentiment of dating.
I like to think of myself as on one big date with every one.
That way everyone is fair game. -
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Wed, April 7, 2004 - 10:18 PMbut ... everyone isn't fair game, reguardless of how you choose to look at it. -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 6:07 AM"Fair Game" mostly refers to individuals within my community. "The World" is a metaphor for "My World", not necessarily yours.
I only play with experienced ritualists generally within my community as a rule because my intensity in terms of energy exchange is not appropriate for most people. -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 10:49 AMOh Gawd, David you sound so pretentious, I just want to barf.
Occult vampires...>YAWN!!< Been there, done that, got the T shirt, decided that being human was more fun.
And at this time when HIV infection is rising rapidly...and lots and lots of men don't even know they have it...bloodsports has got to be the only thing dumber and more desperate than bareback sex.
Fennis, I'm sorry if this stirs up a bunch of drama, but this load of crap is just too much. -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 10:58 AMThat's o.k. I Don't claim to be vampyre. Not even close.
I don't consume other's blood. Frankly there are many safe ways to explore another's body without consuming fluids.
I don't practice occultism either. Occultism implies that I practice knowledge that is hidden.
Again, O.K. if I make you barf.
These boards, for me, are for creative writing...not necessarily the serious.
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 11:55 AMYou're splitting hairs re: occultism. Showing off your vocabulary is not debate. But that's OK. I think the thing that's worth pointing out here is that all sex is energy exchange, and all human interactions are 'majick'. Your nomenclature, while pretentious, is something I am familiar with as a lapsed pagan, but you're making us want to switch the channel with the attitude that comes along with it. Maybe you think it's 'creative', but it's a yawn. Turn it down a notch and actually communicate with the plebs a bit. It's a *discussion* board, after all, not a one-man wankfest. -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 12:09 PMCome on guys....let's not throw words like "pretentious" around....everyone had their own outlook and vibe going on...let's respect that. I know all you guys are smart & open-minded and shouldn't feel attacked on a personal level by someone's opinion!
I think David is pretty smart, has a lot to say AND has a wickedly dry wit.
I know this can be a place where we don't try to tear each other down because of our differences...right?
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 1:15 PMhmm im not even sure what to say. Having been involved in alot of the subjects brought up here i think im just gonna remain silent hehehe.
I think thought its fine for ink to say what he thinks and its fine for David too. We can disagree and also get along i think and support each other. -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 1:49 PMTotally....we should all say what we think. As long as we stop short of getting pissed off and attacking each other on a personal level.
You are still the sexiest bunch of men on Tribe....
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 1:51 PMWow, you are so cute when you say sorry! But I wasn't dumping on you....I'm just a peace-lovin hippy at heart.
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 1:55 PMThats it... spankings for everyone!!!
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 2:29 PMyeah! now, let's hold hands and sing:
To Everything (Turn, Turn, Turn)
There is a season (Turn, Turn, Turn)
And a time for every purpose, under Heaven
A time for peace
A time for war
A time for S
A time for M
A time for sacred psychick magick
A time for...ok, somebody please shoot me. -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 2:37 PMthere is really noooo reason for that.
I for one like to see fur and feathers fly, fuck keeping the peace, without justice peace is useless.
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 3:14 PMI'm sorry, I'm sorry, please forgive me, I'm sorry.
Can we fuck, now? -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 3:48 PMDamn, Quincy! I finally just took a good look at your profile pics. You're quite a fox! WOOF! -
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 4:33 PMOh please. I'm getting beaten up by appliances in most of those ... seriously, I need to get some pictures taken of me in decent light, well-groomed, in spoooooooky duds. That's all I want, man ... a boything who likes to get gothed up and fuck!
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Thu, April 8, 2004 - 2:51 PMI'm single. Would like a bf. But I'm super picky. A couple months ago, I did some self evaluation and realized that, contrary to my previous subconscious ideas, the universe does not owe me a boyfriend. So I've been in a process of dealing with my solitude from that standpoint. It would have been nice to have figured that out years ago, instead of now, but, oh well.
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 8:59 AMBEEN MONOGAMOUS RELATIONSHIP FOR 10YRS
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 9:05 AMSTILL IN LOVE. MOST PEOPLE THAT ARE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE ARE TOO PICKY AND ARE LOOKING FOR MR RIGHT OR RIGHT NOW AND THASTS WHY THEY HAVEN'T FOUND THE RIGHT PERSON FOR A LTR -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 9:37 AMI've always wanted a monogamous relationship with the few boys I've loved....but they always had roving eyes, or were downright slutty. Basically they wanted me to be there as the loyal, loving BF, but also be able to have sleazy, one night encounters on the side. I just said, "no", and walked. They still call me, to this very day. But I guess you can't have it all....you pays your money and takes your chances.
Let's just say I've lost complete faith in the gay male as far as love, relationships and monogamy go. -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 11:38 AMI think for some gay guys or even just guys in general its a matter of being beaten down enough so that they start thinking fuck that datting world i want a honey to be with. Happens to everyone no matter how cute or hot. For me i have always based my relationships on need and desire from both sides. Now thats not saying all my relationships were ones i thought about before i got into them but once there i realized i was getting something i wanted or needed at the time.
I've never been one to get beaten down easy becuase i tend to be to ok with being with myself sometimes.
This last time though we meet and a month later we moved into a new apt and we have been esentialy married ever since( all of four months yikes not long)but so far this is the best relationship i have ever been in and the most honest. I love my honey anyways just my two cents -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 12:27 PMI've said that before: that in most cases, monogamy only occurs after total slut and drama burn out...although Andy Z seems to be an exception. -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 1:23 PM*cough
You can still have a high functioning polyamourous relationship, i mean most relationships are weather both parties know or not, so you might as well just have it out in the open. -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 2:06 PMI have always been faithfull in every relationship i have ever had except once. that once was after two years of hell too and i was hoping he would just dump me. Im not sure its natural to be monogamous or anything bad or good but i like it myself and i have like i said always been faithfull despite many temptations to stray. I just find it exhausting enough to worry about one cock let alone two good god LOL. I always think why would you still want to be out there in cold hunt when you can be snuggled and warm with the cock you have. Im not judging but i really don't understand the thrill of variety much. I think other guys and girls are cute and sometimes have jacked off thinking about doing them but it never goes further than that when im in a relationship. I must be an oddball but its how ive always been. -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 3:28 PMZombie, you and I are probably somewhat out of the loop here because we haven't read The Ethical Slut, which seems to have become San Francisco's new Bible.
Part of me wants to read it just so I can have a better understanding of where all these polyamorous people are coming from. But then on the other hand, it seems so...trendy....like a Dr. Pepper commercial: "I'm a poly, he's a poly, she's a poly, we're a poly, wouldn't you like to be a poly too? Be a poly...Beeeeeeee polyamorous..." -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 4:32 PMis that where this new poly words are comming from? i had no clue LOL.
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 5:39 PMlol!
i forgot to ask you to sing...
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 7:52 PMuhhhhm... i don't think i'm on a cold hunt.... i really don't think i'm on any sort of hunt for that matter, except for maybe the hunt for the ultimate lip gloss... Anyhow what i think most people overlook about polyamoury is the fact that there is no set rules that come along with it. It doesn't mean that your relationships have no boundaries, it means that those boundaries are set by what the people involved determine acceptable.
i don't think it's fair to enter a relationship assuming it's going to be monogamous or polyamourous, as such things have to be determined through dialouging.
for me it's not about variety or the thrill of the chase, I would feel like i am handing over ownership of myself and my body to someone if i were to get involved in a mono type situation, and said thoughts don't mesh with my outlook on love/life.
being mono doesn't make a relationship any more stable or deeper then a poly one. -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 8:25 PMoh i wanst saying everyone who is single and enjoying it is on a cold hunt. I liked being single alot. I had fun and i would never say be with someone you don't fit with. I dont know what a poly realtionship is except by people here talking about it but i say whatever feels good go for it. I was just talking about my own personal life before and being general about the some of the gay men i knew and know. -
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Wed, April 14, 2004 - 9:06 PMDitto that.
Joseph, I'm just poking fun of the prevelance of the use of that word on Tribe. It's not my intention to disparage anyone who prefers a polyamorous lifestyle. If we're going to discuss that seriously, then I believe in people doing what is right for themselves.
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Thu, April 15, 2004 - 12:05 AMfair enough.
that said i say fuck it to this conversation. It's bloody exhausting. -
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Thu, April 15, 2004 - 11:27 AMYeah, I'm tired of scrolling down this far. :D
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Fri, April 16, 2004 - 9:16 AMSingle here. Looking, but the outlook's getting bleak for the 'daemon... It would appear I'm too "picky" ... All I want is a guy that is capable of taking care of himself financially and doesn't have a nervous breakdown or "issues" at the drop of a hat. Hell, I'm not even going for looks here, just personality. But all I get are the cute guys with no brains (yawn) or the brainy guys that are all contempt and vitriol at the world around them (honey, you AIN'T all that. As a matter of fact, you're NONE of that) ... Again, yawn.
And of course, the PERFECT man (a gay Goth doctor with tons of money, emotionally stable, drop-dead gorgeous and into a little BDSM and role-play in the sack) just doesn't seem to be around. Or he's still backpacking through the wilds of Central Europe...
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Fri, April 16, 2004 - 12:32 PMI don't know how everyone else feels about this, but I've always experienced a lot of flakeyness dating in this scene. My ex always said he was on goth standard time. And it drove me crazy, so much that we broke up over it two months ago. Is it too much to ask for focus? -
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Fri, April 16, 2004 - 12:44 PMgood fricken' point, metin. the sad fact is that most guys are not their word. they haven't taken the time to get to know themselves, they are completely stuck in their fantasies, spending their whole lives looking for some guy that doesn't even exist. as a result, they sadly cannot appreciate what's happening right in front of them. and so they flake. i was so frustrated with this that i became a hooker! people pay attention to the moment a lot more when they are shellin' out dough for it.
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